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Yep, knew that most o-ring chains are recommended to be lubed with a gear oil ....... Though I use a (Wurth) dry PTFE lube which doesn't seem to get dirty or fling :-?
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I use engine oil as gear oil stinks the garage out.
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I've always used sprays and always despaired at the amount that builds up behind the front sprocket cover. I've a "LoobMan" oiler winging it's way to me and will report on it once fitted to the Busabarge.
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Testing inconclusive. Rubber drive wheel on a oily link, poor frictional quality, fling test , small diameter of chain, possible speed issue, drill would outstrip ft per second speed of most chains.
Grit test no account of vortex airflow inside of the wheel rim.
Overall a poor test regime.
Only factual accuracy, paint on lube waistes less than spray
on.best lube is constant delivery, Scott oiler, if set up properly, and adjusted flow in different weather conditions. Followed by correct chain adjustment being maintained and wheel alignment.
Well tempered sprockets help too no hook, low friction.
Zzr has 24500 miles on it. Original chain and sprockets still in great shape Rs changed out at 29000 miles. Both on Scott Oilers.

So I shared this with my fathers mate hes a marine engineer and owns GEMS services in teignmouth awell established garage and this was his reply to the video just thought I'd share someone else's idea on it
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ptolemyx wrote: Jun 23rd, '20, 05:18 I've always used sprays and always despaired at the amount that builds up behind the front sprocket cover. I've a "LoobMan" oiler winging it's way to me and will report on it once fitted to the Busabarge.
http://www.loobman.co.uk/
When you switch over to using oil instead of grease spray it's a good idea to remove all the guards and give them a good scrap out & clean, but it sounds like you're on top of that anyway.
It's one of the first jobs I do on any "new to me" bikes I buy. The oil will act as a solvent to that crud and will wash out all the trapped grit, which could then drop back at your chain & sprockets.

I then make my own version of a Lubeman as I can then design it around the bike so that it is mostly hidden apart from the primer bulb, which pumps a little oil into the delivery tube which is then gravity fed down to chain more slowly. The oil tank goes under the seat and the oil lines run behind frame sections. Oil is fed down to the chain at front sprocket as I don't like to see the hose running along the swing arm to the rear sprocket.
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Have always lubricated my chains with used engine oil - seems to do the trick.
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This is really interesting as I have always gone for Muck Off and got to say never been that impressed with it. As much as I want to make sure that the chain is coated i try not to spray to much but every time i go for the first ride the rear wheel and the back of the bike get totally splattered. Also tent to find so much crap sticking to the chain i have to clean and respray time after time. Find it really interesting that you could look to use normal engine oil as have a lot of synthetic hi performance oil sitting about in the garage so will be using that next time road and from now on. Result.
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royb wrote: Jun 23rd, '20, 08:16 Have always lubricated my chains with used engine oil - seems to do the trick.
Haven't watched the video but be careful doing that lots of little small metal particles in used engine oil, if you can filter it somehow then probably not so bad but if not then it's not ideal...
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Dan_RR wrote: Jun 23rd, '20, 23:08 Haven't watched the video but be careful doing that lots of little small metal particles in used engine oil, if you can filter it somehow then probably not so bad but if not then it's not ideal...
Dan assuming the new engine oil would be ok though
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menzies3032 wrote: Jun 23rd, '20, 23:38
Dan_RR wrote: Jun 23rd, '20, 23:08 Haven't watched the video but be careful doing that lots of little small metal particles in used engine oil, if you can filter it somehow then probably not so bad but if not then it's not ideal...
Dan assuming the new engine oil would be ok though
Oh ye fresh or un-used engine/gear oil i'm sure would be fine. With grease or oil I think the trick is to use it sparingly but more often rather than soak the thing so its dripping then leave it for 6 months if you know what I mean.
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Makes sense like normal redo the chain when ever i wash the bike as its such and easy job to do if you do it regularly
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The idea of the LoobMan oiler is you use it once to dispense a little oil towards the end of each ride.
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I've used Würth dry lube in the past - true, there was no flinging off over the rear wheel, because there was nothing there! Potentially the chain was nearing the end of its life but wear of chain and sprockets appeared to be accelerated when using the dry lube, chain adjustment became a weekly chore.
Since that episode I've returned to using the best lube that I've encountered in 42 years of riding - PJ1 blue (as opposed to the black by the same company). It's very tenacious and fling is minimal. The trick is to avoid over-application, use as much - or little - as you need, best applied after a ride when the chain is warm and it has time to dry before the next usage. If you lube the chain before riding, expect a lot of cleaning. Regular engine or gear oils alone have no anti-fling agents and they won't be on your chain for long.
Auto-oilers (Scot etc.) are probably the best way to prolong chain life, take care setting the delivery rate.

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