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funky, what would you rather they (nhs/whoever runs the exchanges) did, bury their heads in the sand, stop needle exchanges and have a massive hike in hiv, hepatitis and the like? surely that increases the risks if a kiddy pricks themselves on some scumbags discarded needle too. stopping exchanges won't suddenly make all these addicts go away
I realise it wont make the majority go away, but it is a deterrent for some people at least. If you start on heroine and continue you will die from an overdose, with heroine it's just a case of how you die.

So far I have treated 4 people who recieved brain injuries due to drugs and the world that surrounds it. It costs approximately £1500 a week to stay in my unit with an initial assessment period of 6 weeks...this is all funded by either social or the nhs...so it isn't the immediate cost to the NHS it's all the reprecussions after. If these people want to throw their lives away thats fine, it pays my wages :D
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To solve the drugs problem is going to need a radical change. It will never be beaten the way things are at present, it needs someone to think outside the box and try something completely different.

This suggestion might work, it might not, we'll never know if we don't try it. I say give it a go and see what happens, if it doesn't work go back to how things are now or try something else.
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I think they should say, quit drugs by the end of 2007 otherwise anyone caught will face 4 Life sentances back to back minimum :D.
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It should all be free, especially Extasy.
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TLS-Moose wrote:
Ali wrote:Rehab would be a much better approach to help reduce this prolific and enduring problem within our society.



Yes, but if they are forced into re-hab they can then sue the government for breach of their human rights, and get hundreds of thousands of pounds each (as per the case with some prisoners recently :roll: ) :evil: :evil:

Not quite so cost effective then :wink:
If you had read properly what I've written then you would have seen that I didn't mention forcing people into rehab :wink:



I feel that some comments made on here by some of the others totally sums up the unwashed masses view on drug addicts and addiction, pure and utter ignorance.

Some of my work entails working with people and families whose lives have been affected by someone who is or has been a drug user. It's very sad to watch the fall out from drug addiction whatever the drug and the consequences from taking it.

For instance, long term heavy use of cannabis may cause schizophrenia or/and other mental health problems in some people, yet cannabis is classed as a ‘softer drug’. People read ‘schizophrenia’ and will think murderer, but you couldn’t be further from the truth. A high % of cases, around 99% of people with schizophrenia, suicide ideation is a big factor, they would rather take their own life them someone else’s.

Some people who start taking drugs are not 'little shits' but people such as mum’s, dad’s, brother’s, sister’s, best freinds who took drugs for a variety of reasons and circumstances and maybe should have known better but that's a glib statement to make with hindsight.

It's true that people need to want to give up taking hard drug. The drive to get more heroine or another hard drug is tremendous and people will do awful things to raise the money for their next fix, this cannot be condoned, but the current penalties are not working to deter people from using hard drugs. A radical shake up is needed and this new thinking could work. A controlled dispensing of hard drugs means more control and contact with addicts and could lead to more rehab in the long run, therefore reducing the number of addicts out there.

Another example is smoking; people need to want to give up smoking. Overall smoking kills more people then hard drug use has done to date. I wonder how many are smokers on this forum knowing the full facts and dangers of smoking tobacco products? If a smoker on this forum were to get a serious illness due to smoking, should we call them a ‘little sh1t’?

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Feck the junkies!! They know that they are doing to themselves and dont give a fook about giving up, or at least the ones i've ever come accross. As for smoking, I smoke know the dangers and also dont give a fook. Everyone has the freedom to make there own choices.
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Ali where do you work, as im trying to get more training regarding drugs, ie helping people to give up. I have done work with young people but im wanting to further myself in this.
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jim1979 wrote:Feck the junkies!! They know that they are doing to themselves and dont give a fook about giving up, or at least the ones i've ever come accross. As for smoking, I smoke know the dangers and also dont give a fook. Everyone has the freedom to make there own choices.
Sums up what I said in my above post about ignorance really doesn't it :roll:
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Ali's post... Jim's post... Ali... Jim... Ali... Jim... :?

Sorry Ali... I'm with the ignorant Majority... Junkies choose to ruin their lives and innocent peoples... No matter if it's deliberate or not :evil:

Oh, and I don't smoke or drink... :wink:

We don't all know everything about everything, but are entitled to our opinions without being called ignorant.

I often get into a conversation with 'Ignorants' about the war in Iraq, but listen to their views without prejudice... again not to say I know it all about that either.
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Maver-Nick wrote:Ali's post... Jim's post... Ali... Jim... Ali... Jim... :?

Sorry Ali... I'm with the ignorant Majority... Junkies choose to ruin their lives and innocent peoples... No matter if it's deliberate or not :evil:

Oh, and I don't smoke or drink... :wink:

We don't all know everything about everything, but are entitled to our opinions without being called ignorant.

I often get into a conversation with 'Ignorants' about the war in Iraq, but listen to their views without prejudice... again not to say I know it all about that either.
Of course people are entitled to their opinion(s) whether these are informed or not, but the majority are not, and therefore are ignorant, and that is my opinion :wink:
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Mike Daytona600 wrote: They say adicts cost £45,000 in thefts and it would only be £12,000 from the NHS, but that's the point. The insurance companies pay the £45,000, we'd be paying the £12,000.

If the little shits hadn't started in the first place they wouldn't need it, so chuch 'um in a cell and make 'um go cold turkey. That might make people think twice before starting the [poo poo].
What I should have added is that is that if people want to take whatever drugs then that's up to them, it's their lives. What anoys me is when they start effecting everyone else, theft, benifits, and the NHS. When I wrote chuck 'um in a cell I meant if caught shop lifting etc. Then cold turkey would be punnishement and if they don't like it they shouldn't have started drugs in the first place.

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jim1979 wrote:Feck the junkies!! They know that they are doing to themselves and dont give a fook about giving up, or at least the ones i've ever come accross. As for smoking, I smoke know the dangers and also dont give a fook. Everyone has the freedom to make there own choices.
u say u dont give a fook. but i would if u were smoking around me. unlike smoking drugs is a persinal thing. u inject wiht heroin and its just affect u. wen u smoke u can breeth in toher people smoke. and it can be just as dangerous. so yeh im sure u dont give a fook. but im sure other people around u do. anywya. lock em all. but them all in a massive room filled wiht heroin and them them go wild. as wiht cocaine and lsd, pills the lot. get rid of them all. :lol:
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Baskie, the way you type, sometimes i think your on drugs. :D

I have a zero tolerance for drugs, I will admit I have tried many, however having tried them i know that doing them is utter crap. I feel that the short term affective benefits fall a long way short of the long term negative consequences.

We can talk about taking drugs in relation to smoking and drinking, but personally i feel these should serve as a warning rather than an ideal. How much does smoking cost the NHS per year, how much does drink cost the police and NHS a year?

For all the people saying about talking to ignorants etc i can only quote "if you don't have all the knowledge then you have an opinion, if you have all the knowledge then you can see the positives in both sides of the argument"

I express my opinion based upon my knowledge and experience. If some people find this valid then great, if they don't then i'll hunt them down and shoot them. :D
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Funky wrote: For all the people saying about talking to ignorants etc i can only quote "if you don't have all the knowledge then you have an opinion, if you have all the knowledge then you can see the positives in both sides of the argument"
I know you work with brains, but are you a mind reader too... :shock:
That's exactly what I was trying to say... but wasn't clever enuff... :oops: :lol:
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