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chris999 wrote:i won't get to ride in air ambulance...!!

You don't want to go in one of them.
Lots of people end up in hospital after getting into one of them.

1blue wrote:

chris999 wrote:i won't get to ride in air ambulance...!!

You don't want to go in one of them.
Lots of people end up in hospital after getting into one of them.

it sounds way to regimented to me.

all it takes it a bit of common sense you dont need convoluted systems.

the nice thing about swb rideouts is that they are relaxed. they dont feel like a race or a load of people trying to prove whos fastest and even more importantly they arent pointless sensible biker processions.

you can ride at a range of paces to suit yourself and it seems to work well - without the need for systems to get put in place.

It seems the more experienced riders are happy with out any help.

But less experienced guys and Girls welcome the help.

I've certainly seen ridouts where there was a problem. On one recently the leader lost everyone. Not really his fault, but on plenty of rides I've been on there has been a problem.

Have to agree it really helps when someone stops at a junction (in a safe place, not too far out of sight), or there is a re-group every so often..... especially when you don't know the route very well.... usually new riders are told to go straight on and don't turn off anywhere unless they see another SWB biker at a junction.... I always worry about getting lost on rideouts so welcome someone stopping at a junction, especially when we go down to Cornwall

it isn't that bad down here!! We only swap 1 in every 3 signs around

In all seriousness do agree if going out in an area unfamiliar it is good to have someone at the junctions to know exactly where you should be going or a regroup just to make sure everyone is still there!

1blue wrote: I've certainly seen ridouts where there was a problem. On one recently the leader lost everyone. Not really his fault, but on plenty of rides I've been on there has been a problem.

Who was that then?

1blue wrote:

chris999 wrote:i won't get to ride in air ambulance...!!

You don't want to go in one of them.
Lots of people end up in hospital after getting into one of them.

i've got that t shirt

Argent_Taon wrote:Have to agree it really helps when someone stops at a junction (in a safe place, not too far out of sight), or there is a re-group every so often..... especially when you don't know the route very well.... usually new riders are told to go straight on and don't turn off anywhere unless they see another SWB biker at a junction.... I always worry about getting lost on rideouts so welcome someone stopping at a junction, especially when we go down to Cornwall

or Chard, eh CBR Lover ;)

If you have any doubts about this system bin them now.....

only the leader has to know the route..any place names or have any sense of direction at all.. no one is gonna get lost..
(does work best if he or she rides at a good pace)

any offs or breakdowns get noticed real quick rather than being left to die in a hedge, which is rather comforting whether you are ragging the nuts off it or a beginner. Duff rear lights.Exhaust cans hanging off. huggers cutting into rear tyres, Oil and brake fluid leaks etc all tend to be noticed too if the more experienced riders spend a little time circulating through the field.

You will get to see more of the group as you'll drop back and ride behind every member except tail ender.. you get a glimpse of everyones riding style too. and all their arses in leather too which isn't always a good thing I'll admit !!!

If you think you're faster than the leader you'll have a chance to prove it once you,ve dropped to the back... the chase is on.
(you've a chance to show off your safe overtaking and riding god skills to all those you manage to pass.)

If you want to spend more time riding with one friend.. there's nothing to stop you both marking the same junction and taking off together once the tail ender appears...

If the leader is the top gun.. he'll eventually run out of followers as they get strung out behind... He's the only one who'll have to stop and wait... but its a good time for a fag and a damn good gloat on how talented he is...

Not every junction needs marking... straight over crossroads and roundabouts are a default settings.. leader may want real shitty sections marked for HAZARD reasons to stop folk barreling in too fast.. etc... even if there is no junction..

In small groups when the leader can see all the members.. therre's no need to mark at all. so egos can remain undented.

lastly .. it is quite surprising how litte time you gain by flying down a route.. unless there is a very long section with no junctions to mark AND all the fast riders are at the front when it begins.. the back marker seems to come through without undue delay.

I've done 1000's of miles here and abroad using this system and it works. Every type or bike and rider can have a great time and not have to worry. If the routes are very long and the group is large and mixed it makes sense to split it in 2 anyway.

I ride pretty well most of the time and I'm as quick as many of you. I accept that group riding is slightly different but it's another aspect of biking. the only real down side is the stone chips.

sounds a bit complicated to me, without too much riding involved.

i have a choice if i want to go on a big rideout and usually dont go ( mega ride especailly) as i tend not to enjoy riding in rather large groups as people do get split up and then start argueing over whether you should have waited or not. it sounds good if you can get the people to volunteer to wait at the junctions but im sure in all groups there will always be 2 or 3 that want to ride fast and at the front and wont be prepared to wait. good idea but not sure if it would work

and for those of you who get lost in mid cornwall im here now to help sort you all out.

cheers for now

deej

1blue wrote:

chris999 wrote:i won't get to ride in air ambulance...!!

You don't want to go in one of them.
Lots of people end up in hospital after getting into one of them.

I didnt get to ride in one either. They sent it out for me asked me if i was hurt i said no and had to wait 30 mins for road ambulance.

phy5ic5 wrote:If you have any doubts about this system bin them now.....

only the leader has to know the route..any place names or have any sense of direction at all.. no one is gonna get lost..
(does work best if he or she rides at a good pace)

any offs or breakdowns get noticed real quick rather than being left to die in a hedge, which is rather comforting whether you are ragging the nuts off it or a beginner. Duff rear lights.Exhaust cans hanging off. huggers cutting into rear tyres, Oil and brake fluid leaks etc all tend to be noticed too if the more experienced riders spend a little time circulating through the field.

You will get to see more of the group as you'll drop back and ride behind every member except tail ender.. you get a glimpse of everyones riding style too. and all their arses in leather too which isn't always a good thing I'll admit !!!

If you think you're faster than the leader you'll have a chance to prove it once you,ve dropped to the back... the chase is on.
(you've a chance to show off your safe overtaking and riding god skills to all those you manage to pass.)

If you want to spend more time riding with one friend.. there's nothing to stop you both marking the same junction and taking off together once the tail ender appears...

If the leader is the top gun.. he'll eventually run out of followers as they get strung out behind... He's the only one who'll have to stop and wait... but its a good time for a fag and a damn good gloat on how talented he is...

Not every junction needs marking... straight over crossroads and roundabouts are a default settings.. leader may want real shitty sections marked for HAZARD reasons to stop folk barreling in too fast.. etc... even if there is no junction..

In small groups when the leader can see all the members.. therre's no need to mark at all. so egos can remain undented.

lastly .. it is quite surprising how litte time you gain by flying down a route.. unless there is a very long section with no junctions to mark AND all the fast riders are at the front when it begins.. the back marker seems to come through without undue delay.

I've done 1000's of miles here and abroad using this system and it works. Every type or bike and rider can have a great time and not have to worry. If the routes are very long and the group is large and mixed it makes sense to split it in 2 anyway.

I ride pretty well most of the time and I'm as quick as many of you. I accept that group riding is slightly different but it's another aspect of biking. the only real down side is the stone chips.

Yes you have it right. It works. Objections regarding it being complicated are plain wrong. SW Biker ride outs are only attended by those who enjoy the occasional group ride, or who simply want to meet others from the site, so there isn't exactly an issue about people not doing their bit.

The advanced motorcylists use this system all the time but they are generally of the same speed and ability. The only thing I would add to this, is to make it safe, the person who has just marked the corner, joins the back of the group and does not try to race back to the front, as this causes problems and accidents. This also means that all riders will eventually make their way to the front, and not feel like they are on a bungy cord with slow catchup all the time.

Kev