Its funny how you completely ignore my questionStately wrote:Well said -ILOVECOPS wrote:Just as many crap bike riders as there are car drivers.....
I've witnessed some shocking riding lately, so bad I felt I had to have a word.
Its all about margin for error, knowing the bikes limits and yours etc.
If people are in a group rideout, so what if someone hoons off or does a massive mono. Doesn't make you a loser.
Alot of testosterone in group rideouts and theres always one [idiot] that will show off in probably the most unsafest place probable but life goes on.
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The Police rider I was talking too was quoting from his own experiences,
Are you telling me that I should take your opinion over his ?
Erm Yeah -----OK
Are you telling me that I should take your opinion over his ?
Erm Yeah -----OK
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I dont have any stats, neither do you, neither does the police officer. From that none can be proved wrong. Opinion is opinion, all of the above is opinion, not fact. Choose what opinion you want, I'll choose mine. My opinion is that if any rider pushes their limits they will do it whether in a group or not.
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No but what I do have, is a hell of a lot of experience and believe me, when you've been riding a bit longer, it's something you'll come to appreciate.Cheese Monkey wrote:I dont have any stats, neither do you,
Believe me, over the years I've been riding, I've seen people like you come and go with tedious regularity.
You pass your test, and then suddenly, you are in a position to call upon all this percieved experience (yeah right), and tell the rest of us where we're going wrong.
You're a newbie
A sprog.
I knew that even before I looked at your profile and then realised I've been riding longer than you've been alive.
You do not have any experience to call upon, so don't pretend you do.
Much as it irks you, I would take the word of an experienced traffic officer with years of experience and thousands of miles under the belt, over a post das newbie rider with hardly any experience like you any day.
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why is it that with increasing regularity so called seasoned riders turn up on here spouting all kinds of holier than thou b/s ? These riders seem to think that as they have been chugging around on one form or another of early eighties jap bike for the last 30 odd years they have the right to preach to newer generations of bikers. I have been lucky enough to have seem lots of sides of biking and have to say that yes time with a license does bring with it experience, however if someone has had a licence for 20 years but only rides on sundays if the sun is out and its 20degrees outside, they are not going to have as much ability as someone riding daily for 5 years. I know of a rider who has been on 2 wheels for over 20 years but still can't filter, stands up on the pegs to look past a car to overtake instead of changing road position and still doesn't change down gears to overtake - rides a 600 diversion so does not have power to do it without changing safely. So why make assumptions ? Going by your example as you have been riding longer than rossi, you are safer. Maybe you could learn something from younger riders who are still open to new things rather than hiding behind unprovable stats preaching and pointing. Just my opinion. 
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well said that man, age and time on a bike doesnt make somebody the worlds safest rider,in fact it could be the opposite as they could get complacement if theyve not had a accident for a whilebillinom8s wrote:why is it that with increasing regularity so called seasoned riders turn up on here spouting all kinds of holier than thou b/s ? These riders seem to think that as they have been chugging around on one form or another of early eighties jap bike for the last 30 odd years they have the right to preach to newer generations of bikers. I have been lucky enough to have seem lots of sides of biking and have to say that yes time with a license does bring with it experience, however if someone has had a licence for 20 years but only rides on sundays if the sun is out and its 20degrees outside, they are not going to have as much ability as someone riding daily for 5 years. I know of a rider who has been on 2 wheels for over 20 years but still can't filter, stands up on the pegs to look past a car to overtake instead of changing road position and still doesn't change down gears to overtake - rides a 600 diversion so does not have power to do it without changing safely. So why make assumptions ? Going by your example as you have been riding longer than rossi, you are safer. Maybe you could learn something from younger riders who are still open to new things rather than hiding behind unprovable stats preaching and pointing. Just my opinion.
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I could be wrong but im sure its the same every year after the winter....
We have long wet cold spells so bikes and riders dont get out for months, Then the sun/ dryer weather arrives and all of a sudden the bikes and riders come out to play... all beit a bit rusty (bike and rider) and you seem to hear of loads of collisions/ deaths at this time of year.
I think instead of easing them selves back into the groove they just hoon it from the off and unfortunately get caught out.
Could just be me though??
Dont get me wrong Its not always the bikers fault, there are still a crazy amount of drivers out there who simply dont use thier mirrors/check for bikers..... they cant use the excusse "I didnt see you" because they dont look.
I see it every day
We have long wet cold spells so bikes and riders dont get out for months, Then the sun/ dryer weather arrives and all of a sudden the bikes and riders come out to play... all beit a bit rusty (bike and rider) and you seem to hear of loads of collisions/ deaths at this time of year.
I think instead of easing them selves back into the groove they just hoon it from the off and unfortunately get caught out.
Could just be me though??
Dont get me wrong Its not always the bikers fault, there are still a crazy amount of drivers out there who simply dont use thier mirrors/check for bikers..... they cant use the excusse "I didnt see you" because they dont look.
I see it every day
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ErrrCheese Monkey wrote:Whats your point? Ride to the capabilities of the slowest rider and not have such a good ride? Everyone I know and ride with rides to their capabilities and if necessary I/we/they will wait for a few seconds at the next village turn off whatever for whoever it is that is the slowest to catch up. Which is no big issue. If someone wants to push their limits they will do it whether in a group or not.Stately wrote:These things normally start off well intentioned, but pretty soon someone will want to show off, and before you know it, the rider who may not be as quick as the others, is left trailing and taking huge risks to keep up so as not to lose face.
I would like to see the stats that show that riders in a groups of 2-6 are the one of the polices biggest problems for crashing.![]()
"If someone wants to push their limits, they will do it in a group or not". Maybe a mong like you would push the limits in a group....and what happens when it goes wrong? maybe take out another rider? Good one skippy.
Whats the point of waiting for someone if your going to blast off and leave them again? Thats fun.
big group rideouts are gash...unless you have groups.
I remember off of here on the great SWB summer rideout, Age and I leading the pack, then the inters then the novices. As long as everyone knew where they were going, no probs.
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I'm not trying to pretend I've got alot of experience. But I do have some, and even if I had two minutes experience, I could still form an OPINION from that. You may well of been riding for as long as the trees have been growing, you still have an opinion. You show me some facts and I will believe what you're saying. Until then its still a hollow argument based on opinion.Stately wrote:No but what I do have, is a hell of a lot of experience and believe me, when you've been riding a bit longer, it's something you'll come to appreciate.Cheese Monkey wrote:I dont have any stats, neither do you,
Believe me, over the years I've been riding, I've seen people like you come and go with tedious regularity.
You pass your test, and then suddenly, you are in a position to call upon all this percieved experience (yeah right), and tell the rest of us where we're going wrong.
You're a newbie
A sprog.
I knew that even before I looked at your profile and then realised I've been riding longer than you've been alive.
You do not have any experience to call upon, so don't pretend you do.
Much as it irks you, I would take the word of an experienced traffic officer with years of experience and thousands of miles under the belt, over a post das newbie rider with hardly any experience like you any day.
My point is its all personal choice when limits are pushed. I agree if someone pushes their limits in a group they're pretty stupid. I wouldn't, not quite sure where I said that I wouldILOVECOPS wrote:ErrrCheese Monkey wrote:Whats your point? Ride to the capabilities of the slowest rider and not have such a good ride? Everyone I know and ride with rides to their capabilities and if necessary I/we/they will wait for a few seconds at the next village turn off whatever for whoever it is that is the slowest to catch up. Which is no big issue. If someone wants to push their limits they will do it whether in a group or not.Stately wrote:These things normally start off well intentioned, but pretty soon someone will want to show off, and before you know it, the rider who may not be as quick as the others, is left trailing and taking huge risks to keep up so as not to lose face.
I would like to see the stats that show that riders in a groups of 2-6 are the one of the polices biggest problems for crashing.![]()
"If someone wants to push their limits, they will do it in a group or not". Maybe a mong like you would push the limits in a group....and what happens when it goes wrong? maybe take out another rider? Good one skippy.
Whats the point of waiting for someone if your going to blast off and leave them again? Thats fun.
big group rideouts are gash...unless you have groups.
I remember off of here on the great SWB summer rideout, Age and I leading the pack, then the inters then the novices. As long as everyone knew where they were going, no probs.
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Experience is only valid if it has inspired a learning. Good or bad.
If experience was a qualification on its own then I would be faster than Rossi and richer than him come to think about it.
We are all different and learn at different rates. We choose when we want to learn and when to ignore experiences.
Not sure who made the point but I would take the word of a bike copper over most others as they are the poor testicles who are seeing bodies scraped off the roads every month. That must sharpen your instincts.
I've met a lot of newbies who talk testicles and more experienced riders who talk testicles. Make your choices based on your own knowledge and experiences and you will risk less and have fewer peeps to blame when it goes wrong. Most of us will crash at some point and there are only 2 circumstances under which this will happen. Our fault or someone elses. I'm great at crashing. Been off on the road more times than I care to remember. Every time I've crashed its been my fault. The only thing I am proud of is that I have never hurt anyone else by my actions or inactions.
Whatever the reason, can everyone for fekk sake stop getting killed or injured. Its not nice and it brings lots of unwanted attention to bikes!
If experience was a qualification on its own then I would be faster than Rossi and richer than him come to think about it.
We are all different and learn at different rates. We choose when we want to learn and when to ignore experiences.
Not sure who made the point but I would take the word of a bike copper over most others as they are the poor testicles who are seeing bodies scraped off the roads every month. That must sharpen your instincts.
I've met a lot of newbies who talk testicles and more experienced riders who talk testicles. Make your choices based on your own knowledge and experiences and you will risk less and have fewer peeps to blame when it goes wrong. Most of us will crash at some point and there are only 2 circumstances under which this will happen. Our fault or someone elses. I'm great at crashing. Been off on the road more times than I care to remember. Every time I've crashed its been my fault. The only thing I am proud of is that I have never hurt anyone else by my actions or inactions.
Whatever the reason, can everyone for fekk sake stop getting killed or injured. Its not nice and it brings lots of unwanted attention to bikes!
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I think there is more crap car drivers on the road because there is more cars than bikes. Bad drivers/riders will always be crap whatever they are driving/riding. Just because you ride an R1 doesnt make you a Valentino Rossi etc
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By the same token, I have met soooo many people of all ages who are new to biking who see it as their mission to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong.billinom8s wrote:why is it that with increasing regularity so called seasoned riders turn up on here spouting all kinds of holier than thou b/s ? These riders seem to think that as they have been chugging around on one form or another of early eighties jap bike for the last 30 odd years they have the right to preach to newer generations of bikers. I have been lucky enough to have seem lots of sides of biking and have to say that yes time with a license does bring with it experience, however if someone has had a licence for 20 years but only rides on sundays if the sun is out and its 20degrees outside, they are not going to have as much ability as someone riding daily for 5 years. I know of a rider who has been on 2 wheels for over 20 years but still can't filter, stands up on the pegs to look past a car to overtake instead of changing road position and still doesn't change down gears to overtake - rides a 600 diversion so does not have power to do it without changing safely. So why make assumptions ? Going by your example as you have been riding longer than rossi, you are safer. Maybe you could learn something from younger riders who are still open to new things rather than hiding behind unprovable stats preaching and pointing. Just my opinion.
These people also usually don't last long.
Next time you're out and about, see how many other riders you can find with more than five yeard continuous experience.
I'm not saying that being an experienced rider makes you better by default, and yes, there are plenty of examples like the one you give of riders with a lot of experience who cannot ride worth a wee, but looking at your last sentence, I see you have fallen onto the trap that most newbies fall into by assuming that faster means better.
On the track, where fractions of a second count, then yes but on the road there are a different set of priorities, the most paramount of which is safety above everything else.
That is why it is perfectly concievable that a rider on a CG125 can be a better road rider than someone on an R1.
Back to experience, and I would say just this.
If you are in any doubt that generally, experienced riders are better, safer road riders, just have a word with your insurers next time you speak to them, and ask them why it is that your insurance get's cheaper the longer you've been riding.
They are in the business of putting a price on risk and weather you choose to accept it or not, experienced riders are considered less of a risk than inexperienced one's and that, I'm afraid, is a fact that your insurers will bear out, and that the statistics in the link provided earlier confirm.
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And here we go again. " i've been riding longer than you, so I am supreme"
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It dosen't matter how long you've been on a bike you either ride well and know how to stay within your own limits or you think you supreme and ride like a complete dick.
I ride every day for work and pleasure in all weather except snow and ice, that does not make me a perfect rider, cos theres no such thing. I've got caught out and thought to myself "what a pillock, why did I do that" any any rider that can honestly say that they have never done that is lying.
So can all the riders that seem to be preaching that cos they have ridden every day for the last 9 million years they are riding gods. Feck off
It dosen't matter how long you've been on a bike you either ride well and know how to stay within your own limits or you think you supreme and ride like a complete dick.
So can all the riders that seem to be preaching that cos they have ridden every day for the last 9 million years they are riding gods. Feck off
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Wheres the stats for that then?Stately wrote: By the same token, I have met soooo many people of all ages who are new to biking who see it as their mission to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong.
These people also usually don't last long.
You have got a messed up interpretation of things, where has he said that?but looking at your last sentence, I see you have fallen onto the trap that most newbies fall into by assuming that faster means better.
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Well then, maybe you could explain what Rossi has to do with itCheese Monkey wrote:Wheres the stats for that then?Stately wrote: By the same token, I have met soooo many people of all ages who are new to biking who see it as their mission to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong.
These people also usually don't last long.
It's based on my experience, something you are clearly lacking.
In my experience, (which is longer than you've been on this panet), riders generally don't last long - a fact that was bought home to me when I renewed my insurance recently.
For the first time, I was asked how much continuous riding experience I had.
When I answered 29 years, she responded by saying, "gosh, you are a rare breed"
I was curious at this, and so asked what the average was, but she wouldn't committ to answering and just said, "nothing like as long as that"
My insurers are Bennetts who account for a large proportion of riders and I have no reason to believe she was lying when she said that and I'm prepared to lay odds that any number of insurers would say the same thing, but of course, feel free to prove me wrong![]()
You have got a messed up interpretation of things, where has he said that?but looking at your last sentence, I see you have fallen onto the trap that most newbies fall into by assuming that faster means better.
billinom8s wrote:So why make assumptions ? Going by your example as you have been riding longer than rossi, you are safer