Making heroin legal???

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Nov 22nd, '06, 15:48

blimey blair got all the good ideas aint he. gonna make heroin legal for addicts so it will cut back on crime. lol . just free herroin i guess. oh well hopefully they will all save it up for one big overdose, and we will be rid of the junkies. blimey what is this worl comming to.

sonic · Post by **sonic** » Nov 22nd, '06, 16:10

the nanny state.

Little Loris · Post by **Little Loris** » Nov 22nd, '06, 16:20

I guess legalising it would make it taxable. Imagine how much they could get from taxing things like cannabis, the amount that people smoke.

It worked for alcohol and cigarettes for a while - yes, those previously UN-TAXED DRUGS.

Ali · Post by **Ali** » Nov 22nd, '06, 16:21

"Deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire has said the treatment would cost £12,000 a year per addict but added that drug users steal property valued at an average of £45,000 a year"

"Martin Barnes, chief executive of drugs charity DrugScope, said: "There is compelling evidence that heroin prescribing, although more expensive than some forms of drug treatment, is cost-effective in reducing drug-related crime and other costs to communities."

Baskie it's not Blair who said this you numpty

Rehab would be a much better approach to help reduce this prolific and enduring problem within our society.

Funky · Post by **Funky** » Nov 22nd, '06, 17:38

I'm disgusted that they get free needles, let alone making the crap legal. Heroine ruins lives, destroys families and buggers up your brain. Making it legal only paves the way for bringin more misery to more people.

They count the cost of users stealing etc to feed the habit, have they thought of the cost to the NHS for the inevitable overdoses and other such medical conditions associated with it's use?

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Nov 22nd, '06, 17:39

Jesus............they will make speeding legal soon too

Stinky · Post by **Stinky** » Nov 22nd, '06, 19:19

Jay wrote:Jesus............they will make speeding legal soon too

Yay!

.

Mike Daytona600 · Post by **Mike Daytona600** » Nov 22nd, '06, 19:20

Someone texted into Radio 1 saying he likes to drink beer, are they gonna fund that. He's got a point, you start with heroin, then alcohol cos that would be cheaper than the treatment, then fags, ect.

If I start robbing shops so I can aford more stuff for my bike does that mean they'll by the stuff for me??

They say adicts cost £45,000 in thefts and it would only be £12,000 from the NHS, but that's the point. The insurance companies pay the £45,000, we'd be paying the £12,000.

If the little shits hadn't started in the first place they wouldn't need it, so chuch 'um in a cell and make 'um go cold turkey. That might make people think twice before starting the shit.

There, I have said my piece

Post by **TLS-Moose** » Nov 22nd, '06, 19:47

Ali wrote:Rehab would be a much better approach to help reduce this prolific and enduring problem within our society.

Yes, but if they are forced into re-hab they can then sue the government for breach of their human rights, and get hundreds of thousands of pounds each (as per the case with some prisoners recently

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Not quite so cost effective then

Dynasangel · Post by **Dynasangel** » Nov 22nd, '06, 19:57

Only problem is with addicts, rehab etc the person involved has to want to give up for it.

I have loads of opinions etc on drugs but I wont bore you guys with it as I talk all the time to young people about them

Maver-Nick · Post by **Maver-Nick** » Nov 22nd, '06, 21:51

Mike Daytona600 wrote:If the little shits hadn't started in the first place they wouldn't need it, so chuch 'um in a cell and make 'um go cold turkey. That might make people think twice before starting the [poo poo].

Nuff said ...

Tom L · Post by **Tom L** » Nov 22nd, '06, 22:51

i personally would be totally pro-legalising of every drug.

People will take drugs, fact. Its somthing that will always happen.

Drugs give huge amounts of money to the cartels and mafia, junkies steal for drug money and people fight for the right to sell. It puts huge amounts of money into the pockets of people who really should be kept away from any position of power.

Or alternativly, make every drug legal, avalible through a clinic. Obviously not just a walk in and slap a needle in me place. Have a lengthy sign up process, somthing that always goes on your permant record, make it difficult but accessable. Not only would this cut out the drug lords, it would provide clean drugs for addicts. Over-doses are nearly always related to dodgey substances or unpure or too pure mixes beacuse people dont know what they are taking. Part of drugs appeal is their anti-establishment connotations, this would totally elimate that.

Now through this the goverment could charge tax (they always need an incentive) the goverment makes some money, the mafia dosn't, crime is reduced, lives are saved and it gets to the route of the problem beacuse once you know where the junkies are, you can offer them proper help and get the cured.

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Nov 23rd, '06, 00:07

Maver-Nick wrote:
Mike Daytona600 wrote:If the little shits hadn't started in the first place they wouldn't need it, so chuch 'um in a cell and make 'um go cold turkey. That might make people think twice before starting the [poo poo].
Nuff said ...

BINGO!!!!! but like tom l said. legalise everything. poele who use it will use it, stop crime, then hopefuly they will kill eachother off, and they will all die. and leave all the decent people. [Censored] rediculous. this worl will slowly self inplode. or there will be riots and things and i will have to kill people. lol

chris_1127 · Post by **chris_1127** » Nov 23rd, '06, 00:35

Mike Daytona600 wrote:If the little shits hadn't started in the first place they wouldn't need it, so chuch 'um in a cell and make 'um go cold turkey. That might make people think twice before starting the [poo poo].

and when you release them again you don't think that they will go straight back to robbing, thieving and shooting up again? all very well saying they shouldnt have started it in the first place, but it doesnt change the fact that they did...

funky, what would you rather they (nhs/whoever runs the exchanges) did, bury their heads in the sand, stop needle exchanges and have a massive hike in hiv, hepatitis and the like? surely that increases the risks if a kiddy pricks themselves on some scumbags discarded needle too. stopping exchanges won't suddenly make all these addicts go away

its not the drug, whatever drug, thats the major problem imo - its the associated crime and lifestyle that is the problem. like tom says, remove the criminal element, both in suppliers and users and you remove a huge amount of the problem. After all, other than the cost of their habit and associated crime to fund it, can you really say that a smackhead is any worse than an alkie/violent drunk?

if alcohol and tobacco were newly discovered drugs, how long do you reckon it would be before they were classified as illegal too?

until a party with real balls to change the state of the country and address the route causes of problems like these comes to power (ie not in the foreseeable) , nothings going to get any better

'kin ell baskie, i think you may have inadvertantly sparked of a proper thread that gets people thinking here. you feeling ok??

Maver-Nick · Post by **Maver-Nick** » Nov 23rd, '06, 09:01

chris_1127 wrote:
its not the drug, whatever drug, thats the major problem imo - its the associated crime and lifestyle that is the problem. like tom says, remove the criminal element, both in suppliers and users and you remove a huge amount of the problem.

Remembering of course that these 'Drug Lords' are hard core criminals, that are very likely to then turn their hand to another activity that will affect honest good living people...

Don't think we can beat 'em

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