BP GARAGE PETITION!!!!!!!

Flopper · Post by **Flopper** » Jan 29th, '07, 17:40

zx6ninjaboy wrote:to maver nick.......... i have a swear filter on my petition so before it gets sent out or whatever the coments wont appear on the screen to flopper ........ i now relise my error and will change thaks for pointing it out mate please sign!!!!!!!

Done.

zx6ninjaboy · Post by **zx6ninjaboy** » Jan 29th, '07, 18:35

Maver-Nick wrote:Ok, Ok ... You've convinced me...

I'll make it my religion to start leaving my helmet on, like the Turban wearers etc and I'll sign the petition...

And I promise to never grow up and have to leave you other 'Big Criminals' and 'Rule breakers' in 'Never Never Land'...

I must admit, I do find it hard hanging my helmet on my mirror or putting it on my seat, and as for actually getting a tissue out of the dispenser laying it on the pump and putting my helmet on there... well imagine the difficulty in that.

I'm not doing a 'Furry' here and arguing for the sake of it, both my kids have worked at petrol stations and they were told to enforce this rule it's not the assistants' fault guys... But it is your choice to cause conflict... or not

thats that then

Maver-Nick · Post by **Maver-Nick** » Jan 29th, '07, 19:19

zx6ninjaboy wrote:thats that then

LOL... Only as far as this matter goes, doesn't mean I don't wanna be your mate, friends can disagree without falling out...
I'm sure we'll agree on other things, just not this one...

zx6ninjaboy · Post by **zx6ninjaboy** » Jan 29th, '07, 19:36

Maver-Nick wrote:
zx6ninjaboy wrote:thats that then
LOL... Only as far as this matter goes, doesn't mean I don't wanna be your mate, friends can disagree without falling out...
I'm sure we'll agree on other things, just not this one...

lol ok

i had no idea that this thread would have so much feedback

im impressed

Funky · Post by **Funky** » Jan 30th, '07, 01:21

I love you all.. but in manly way of course...not in a brokeback mountain sense...although I know some of you will be dissapointed by that.

Tom L · Post by **Tom L** » Jan 30th, '07, 02:07

I just totally fail to see the big deal

it takes five seconds to a take off a helmet at tops, if that gives peace of mind to the guy working behind the till so he doesn’t think he's going to be robbed, well, lets try and make the world a nicer place (feel the love guys). Most of us know that pretty much bikers are decent group of altruistic people, of course there is going to be some bumholes, but by the majority i doubt you could find a group of people more willing to help others.

As for Muslim women, or whatever religion, its not as simple as five seconds to take it off. There are serious religious penalties for them, if nothing else social ostraciseion (watch a despatches program about domestic abuse in minority subcultures, its pretty shocking). So it’s unfair to demand it of them.

However, I believe that the only rights that should be enforced are those which protect the health, safety and wellbeing of that individual. For every special-right you grant a minority group, you give them a predestined prejudice that they are some how different, and so in helping, you end up hurting. This not only creates racism overtly but also works to marginalise minorities which creates resentment and further gaps. This creates subcultures and segregation which furthers the gaps between groups and creates more tension. Also racism works upside down too, minorities will be more likely to resent majority populations.

Basically society cannot exist amorphously and there will always be some tension and we will find conflict in everything we do. It’s important we help defuse the situation rather than add to it

So take five seconds out of your day to take your helmet off and not be a big girl about it

baz-R · Post by **baz-R** » Jan 30th, '07, 21:56

do what i do go else where!
i just go to a non bp petrol station ever since i got asked to take my lid off to get petrol. so i got back on my bike and went to another one just up the road!

philh · Post by **philh** » Jan 30th, '07, 23:02

Maver-Nick wrote:...I never used to until I understood why we were being asked.

Can I reveal myself as an ignoramus and ask "why are we being asked?" Is it the obvious 'could-be-a-holdup' reason?

My tuppence worth? Avoid the issue entirely and go to Tesco's and use a debit card at the pump.

I wear specs under my lid. The 'gloves off, visor open, specs out, strap undone, lid off, specs on' routine is a pin in the bottom.
Holding the Arai somewhere (putting it on the sand, oil and fuel soaked forecourt floor is not an option!) whilst I fish my wallet out of my rucksack or from under the seat cowl is also a bummer.

Pedantic I know. But it's my money going in their till. I expect some customer care. I'm surprised that a fuel vendor hasn't seized the opportunity to win the loyalty of bikers everywhere by introducing something as simple as helmet hangars at the pumps...

philh · Post by **philh** » Jan 30th, '07, 23:05

philh wrote:...routine is a pin in the bottom.

(sic) !!!

'pain in the bottom'

My bad!

clunk · Post by **clunk** » Jan 31st, '07, 09:39

Is it really a fact that people who hold up garages or drive off do wear helmets?

Most people you see holding up shops, banks, garages on "crimewatch" type programs aren't wearing helmets, just the usual hoodie or baseball cap. So is the perceived fear of helmets wearers just a myth ?
We need some statstics on this to get a real picture of what is going on.

watters · Post by **watters** » Jan 31st, '07, 14:15

what is the big deal????????

wow every hundred miles you have to take your helmet off and sling it over your arm while your filling up....WOW!!!!

they are just trying to eliminate theft as much as possible,is that such a bad thing.

i think this petition is stupid, if you made one up saying 'petrol stations should have holders for helmets' then fair enough, but its their rules.

clunk · Post by **clunk** » Jan 31st, '07, 15:36

watters wrote:they are just trying to eliminate theft as much as possible,is that such a bad thing.

Me and 99.999999999% of others helmet wearers taking our lids off will not eliminate theft at all, as we have no intention to steal anything.

The point that bugs me is that it is assumed I am a thief and must be identifiable just in case I steal something, but the same rule doesn't apply to people in other forms of transport and wearing other items which could hide their identity.

It's just another little chip away at our civil liberties which this country seems obssessd with. Before you know it they'll be fitting satellite tracking in all vehicles to monitor speed and location. All in the name of freedom and prevention of terrorism, are we just going to accept that as well ?

Mike Daytona600 · Post by **Mike Daytona600** » Jan 31st, '07, 20:49

Maver-Nick wrote:
Mike Daytona600 wrote: And do your kids serve muslims with their faces covered cos lets face it they're the ones blowing people up at the moment, not bikers.

It's about equality and we DON'T get it.

Like I said if it was the same for everyone with their faces covered I'd remove my lid in the interest of safety. BUT IT'S NOT
Yes they do serve muslims, they're not bigots and that's religion, this thread is fast starting to smack of racism... (You really shouldn't post things like that, and Admin should seriously be thinking about amending the 'Blowing people up' part)

Sonic said he respects the rules abroad but it seems most on here can't do it at home.

Being asked to remove your helmet IS in the interest of safety, as is not being able to enter a bank wearing a helmet or balaclava, or most establishments where cash is likely to be stolen.

First of all it's not racist, it's fact.

All I'm saying is that if you're talking about the safety of the staff the rules should apply to everyone.

I admit I hate taking my lid of at petrol stations because of all the messing about like others have said. My Tesco station is very good and although they have a sign have never asked me to remove my lid. However if you are going to insist someone show their face before being served all be it the bank or BP etc, it should apply to everyone because anyone could be dangerous.

Also if someone was gonna put fuel in a stolen bike at a petrol station then they be a bit stupid don't you think. If you had planned it, the chain, the alarm,etc you wouldn't then screw it up by going in a petrol station

Oh and nice one zx6ninjaboy for starting what has ended up being an interesting discusion. Although some of us are gonna have to agree to disagree

zx6ninjaboy · Post by **zx6ninjaboy** » Jan 31st, '07, 21:19

watters wrote:what is the big deal????????

wow every hundred miles you have to take your helmet off and sling it over your arm while your filling up....WOW!!!!

they are just trying to eliminate theft as much as possible,is that such a bad thing.

i think this petition is stupid, if you made one up saying 'petrol stations should have holders for helmets' then fair enough, but its their rules.

If you had looked at the petition it would say ([b]We the undersigned here by sign this petition that unless BP PETROL GARAGE(HELE)provide a clean and tidy place to place motorcycle helmets upon or change there policy in the removing of helmets ,We will not be taking our business there. does that answer your comment?

watters · Post by **watters** » Feb 1st, '07, 02:56

yes that does answer my question thankyou.

but i dont think this little petition will stop more than 1% of bikers in the uk using bp.