Any advanced motorcyclists here?

[Mel64]

Passed the test back in the eighties..... Definately sharpens up your riding skills so would recommend it for that..

Didn't stay a member for long as some members think they are so elitist and are so far up their own ar*es ... and are sooooo dull.....zzzzzz.

[Blade]

In response to Dave Rowley about the IAM maybe i was being harsh but the truth always is.And these so called fast police pursuit riders usually are crap at the track your mate included from what the others have said.
My point would be a certain Stu Bullock who tried to pull of training days on fowlers track days £50 a time extra after lapping him twice in the second session and asking him what we could do for improvement he just started rabbiting on about when he was a police pursuit rider and couldnt help .Luckily a lot of people complained and they got rid of him.
All this misses the point somewhat its not that i mind the IAM its just that advanced bit it just dont fit cause if you talk the talk you need to walk the walk and a lot of them cant so they hide behind rules and regulations and the ones who could dont ride with them anymore because of all the regulations

[Mike Rowley]

In response to Dave Rowley about the IAM maybe i was being harsh but the truth always is.And these so called fast police pursuit riders usually are crap at the track your mate included from what the others have said.
My point would be a certain Stu Bullock who tried to pull of training days on fowlers track days £50 a time extra after lapping him twice in the second session and asking him what we could do for improvement he just started rabbiting on about when he was a police pursuit rider and couldnt help .Luckily a lot of people complained and they got rid of him.
All this misses the point somewhat its not that i mind the IAM its just that advanced bit it just dont fit cause if you talk the talk you need to walk the walk and a lot of them cant so they hide behind rules and regulations and the ones who could dont ride with them anymore because of all the regulations

At least you could do me the courtesy of getting my name right, it is really only a matter of cut and paste.

Secondly, John Truelove was not "My mate", in fact I only knew him through my course and exam and meeting him infrequently at some of the few IAM evnts I have attended. I did respect him as a person and for his riding skills on the road. I have no idea what his skills on the track were like having never seen him on a track. However, the skills required to ride quickly and safely on the road differ somewhat to those required to ride fast on a track, I think I made that point in an earlier post.

I find your derogatory comments regarding IAM members hiding behind rules and regulations both generic and unballanced, as such I can't take them too seriously. The fact is there are free thinkers and jobsworths in any organisation. There is a certain rigidity about the thinking of the IAM at a national level which I find iritating and the bias towards the police methodolgy is bound to lead to rigidity but as someone once said, "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the regulation of fools".

I think you need to separate track riding from road riding, they are very different. I personally learned a lot about fast road riding from John Truelove and the IAM but would not attempt to transfer that style of riding to the track. Similary, what I have learned from from the few track days I have taken part in I would be loathe to apply to road riding.

Mike

[Whitey1234]

As an addition to whats been said regarding insurance.

just renewed mine and when getting quotes was told by a few companies that bikesafe, IAM and all those schemes make naff all difference to your premium.
so if you're going to do it then do so because you want the skill set rather than for any discount!

[Mike Rowley]

As an addition to whats been said regarding insurance.

just renewed mine and when getting quotes was told by a few companies that bikesafe, IAM and all those schemes make naff all difference to your premium.
so if you're going to do it then do so because you want the skill set rather than for any discount!

Many companies don't but IAM have their own scheme called IAM Surety, they guarantee to beat any quote by £20 for members. I have just renewed my car insurance and they came in at £70 less than my renewal premium and £20 below the best quote I could get anywhere else and with slightly better cover. That has more than paid for my membership fees. It remains to be seen whether they can give me a good deal on my bike insurance when it comes due.

Mike

[Blade]

Sorry Mike you lot are so easy to get on your high horses feeling a bit inferior are we still if your mate (oops sorry) was one of the police chase riders then us track day riders have nothing to worry about on the road cause they will still be talking over breakfast telling each other how fast they are !

[VTR]

Sorry Mike you lot are so easy to get on your high horses feeling a bit inferior are we

Not at all, although there is banter I think most of the people who post here are more civil to one another. With your attitude you may feel more at home on Visordown

[Blade]

Sorry just using my freedom of speach and free thinking or isnt that allowed if its not the same thought train as you and Mike and its not attitude i am still laughing at how hard you take any criticism

[deej]

lmao

ps welcome to swb blade

[VTR]

Sorry just using my freedom of speach and free thinking or isnt that allowed if its not the same thought train as you and Mike and its not attitude i am still laughing at how hard you take any criticism

yeah whatever

[Blade]

Thanks deej looks like some people are like sticks of rock they even have IAM running right through the centre of them i like that at least they are loyal but it looks like a lot of other people have had the same experience and found them a bit snooty and this little bit of banter seems to have exposed that quite quickly with me being told to go off to visordown whatever that is .All i can say is that from racing moto-x (injury forced retirement) to now doing track days have found nothing but life long friends and help to ride better and faster .The IAM was great with Ian Gould who guided me through my test and was a fantstic rider and yes very fast but even he seemed to get a bit frustrated with the emphasis on rule and sign following rather than an individuals ability to read and judge the road but then again that must allow free thinking and your own ability to judge and that as already shown is frowned upon in the IAM

[VTR]

Thanks deej looks like some people are like sticks of rock they even have IAM running right through the centre of them i like that at least they are loyal but it looks like a lot of other people have had the same experience and found them a bit snooty and this little bit of banter seems to have exposed that quite quickly with me being told to go off to visordown whatever that is .

errr, hang on a mo, I haven't said anything about the IAM....well, not in this thread anyway

As it happens I am an IAM member & have been on the odd rideout with a local group, & where I agree with many parts of the training/approach to road riding, I don't follow them as rigidly as you seem to have assumed for some reason

Welcome to the site BTW

[Mike Rowley]

Thanks deej looks like some people are like sticks of rock they even have IAM running right through the centre of them i like that at least they are loyal but it looks like a lot of other people have had the same experience and found them a bit snooty and this little bit of banter seems to have exposed that quite quickly with me being told to go off to visordown whatever that is .All i can say is that from racing moto-x (injury forced retirement) to now doing track days have found nothing but life long friends and help to ride better and faster .The IAM was great with Ian Gould who guided me through my test and was a fantstic rider and yes very fast but even he seemed to get a bit frustrated with the emphasis on rule and sign following rather than an individuals ability to read and judge the road but then again that must allow free thinking and your own ability to judge and that as already shown is frowned upon in the IAM

Now let me see, I have joined in with three of maybe four IAM rides and attended one social evening, all with the local group. Quite clearly I am a blinkered adherent to the IAM. Wereas you, by contrast are a ballanced human being with a wide spectrum of liberal views eloquently expressed with civility and the willingness to consider an alternative point of view.

[Blade]

Thanks for that you are correct just wish you could take your blinkers off and actually read my words you might even find some truth in them ! But then again some people could not get there heads arond the fact that the world is round and hundreds of years on some things dont change !

[VTR]

Thanks for that you are correct just wish you could take your blinkers off and actually read my words you might even find some truth in them ! But then again some people could not get there heads arond the fact that the world is round and hundreds of years on some things dont change !

I think you'll find that your words were read & your points challenged.
It's rather ironic that you accuse others of wearing blinkers just because they don't agree to your point of view

Your own quote rather sums up your approach to discusion quite well;-

so easy to get on your high horses feeling a bit inferior are we