***DUCATI QUIT BSB DONNINGTON***

[deej]

is superstock not the production sbk ?

open class should be the way,if someone wants to race a hayabusa/zzr1400 they should be able to.

dont agree with your motogp suggestion of different chassis builder to engine builder,motogp is the pinnacle of prototype racing and the manufacturers should be able to use motogp as a test bed

[TLS-Moose]

Up until a few seasons ago, Ferrari were the only combined engine maker/chassis maker of note in F1. Before you say BMW/Renault/Toyota/Honda, they all bought an established team/chassis manufacturer to put their engines in.

The point is to open the grids beyond the main manufacturers as Yamaha tried with ROC & Harris

The other point with the World/national SBK is to keep the costs affordable, and make transition from national to international easier ..... so anyone running an affiliated series around the world all runs to the same regs

[deej]

i think your point about the series running to the smae rules is a long way off yet, dont the 4 main championships, well wsbk/bsb/ama and the japanese superbikes all run different rules to each other.

the roc and harris bikes didnt make that big a impact though,did they ? and surely kenny roberts had been trying this with the proton/ktm's and got nowhere. he was close when he had a honda 1000cc engine but nowhere with the 800cc version. would be interesting to see where the sport goes in the future

[mattr6]

Well, reading the rag today (MCN) it seems Jonathon Palmers not bothered if Ducati do pull out of BSB!!

[deej]

i think he will be when gates drop and so does his profit considering he owns nearly 50% of the circuits they race on

[Mike Rowley]

i think he will be when gates drop and so does his profit considering he owns nearly 50% of the circuits they race on

Why would gates drop significantly just because one of the smallest manufacturers pulls out? Seems to me that Ducati have more to loose than BSB since they rely on race success more heavily than most to generate sales? Gates are high in endurance racing but Ducati doesn't have a significant presence there. I haven't noticed the relative abscence and competetiveness of Ducati effecting the TT gates either.

Adding a weight penalty is tinkering around the edges and is a clear acknowlegement that the differential in capacity for twins is unfair. It should be up to the manufacturer to produce a bike that is competetive within rules that apply equally to all. Just because a manufacturer insists on producing a particular engine configuration does not justify special rules to allow them to win and no amount of selective statistics can detract from that. Whilst there is a capacity differential in any makes favour people will rightly question any success achieved.

[deej]

your last sentence is very true

what about next year then when ktm will race with a twin,is the new bmw a twin too ?what should happen then when theres 3 manufacturers with vtwins and 4 with il4s. if ktm win will that still be unfair ? its a arguement thats going to run and run without ever reaching a happy ending.

if glen richards runs away with supersport will they put a weight penalty on the triumph or just accept its a class rider on the bike

i think at bsb level the gates would drop if theres no ducati,maybe they'll rise as anti ducati fans could go but i know at places like brands theres a special ducati fan section where they pay over the odds to get in,have special parking and seating and who's pocket do they line,johnaton palmers. no other make has that level of loyalty/stupidity at a track not that ive ever seen anyway and ive not been one of them before you say anything

[Mike Rowley]

I really don't mind who wins Deej, preferably the best rider regardless of what bike he or she may be on. I'm not against twins either, I ride one and prefer its power delivery and sound but clearly that is just personal preference.

I just think the authorities should keep it as simple as possible to avoid as much as possible the sort of gamesmanship that inevitably comes with more and more complex rules. Best way to do that is to set some fairly simple rules that apply across the board and don't favour any particular marque or configuration and leave the rest to riders and manufacturers. The best riders will usually tend to end up with the most competetive rides anyway.

The more complex the rules gives scope for gamesmanship and in big money sport the main players will always be looking for the edge, fair or foul.

[deej]

im not fussy either,im a shakey fan at bsb level as i like his riding style and also support haslam so have no loyalty to either brand seeing i love my zx10
i think they should stick to the same rules as wsbk as the 1098 aint running away with it there on the power side,the gsxr is a rocket ship there but not at bsb level,just look how bayliss struggled yesterday against the il4s.the points gap for both bayliss and byrne is down to the others inconsistency not the far superior bike. hell the duke broke down yesterday and all the electrics on it didnt help bayliss stay with checa

mike do you know what happened to mcguinness and martin at the tt on saturday as the wife turned over for bloody britains got talent final whilst i nipped for a pee in the advert break

[Mike Rowley]

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mike do you know what happened to mcguinness and martin at the tt on saturday as the wife turned over for [Censored] britains got talent final whilst i nipped for a pee in the advert break [/quote]

Bloody hell! Thats grounds for agrevated divorce!!

Sorry, can't help I was out at sea all weekend and saw nowt on the box. One of the things I am most looking forward to at the end of this season (I'm retiring) is having my summers free to attend some race meetings in UK and abroad, doing a few track days for geriatrics and generally enjoying my bike much more.

[deej]

sounds like a cracking plan,well the retirement one at least

[Mike Rowley]

sounds like a cracking plan,well the retirement one at least

Yeah, its the getting older bit I'm not so keen on.

[TLS-Moose]

mike do you know what happened to mcguinness and martin at the tt on saturday as the wife turned over for [Censored] britains got talent final whilst i nipped for a pee in the advert break

Electrical issues caused both to pull over and park

[deej]

mike do you know what happened to mcguinness and martin at the tt on saturday as the wife turned over for [Censored] britains got talent final whilst i nipped for a pee in the advert break

Electrical issues caused both to pull over and park

bummer,bet neither of them expected a honda to breakdown. i saw earlier that mcguinness had mechanical issues on his supersport bike too

[Rab]

Back on to topic
if wsb was not run by Italians would ducati have got to extra 200cc ( maybe not ), why didn't ducati use the 1098s if the 999 was to much money to keep it competitive
if bayliss and shakey had 999s would they be so far ahead in points ( no ) thats not to say they are not good riders they are but they do have a advantage
and like matey said how did shakey become so good over night
it use to be 750cc class until ducati got 1000cc twin
so in a few years time will it be a 2000cc twin and 1500cc il4s lol
im not anti ducati if i could afford a 1098r it would be in my garage, but wsb and bsb should be a 1000cc classs